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<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/035.html Hunter, Prey]===<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/037.html And Now For a Word]===<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/038.html In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum]===<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This episode is rather pivotal for the series. If I were to choose 10 episodes that defined the series, this would be one of them. It was one of three episodes from this season (yes, '''three''') that were nominated for a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugos Hugo] award for Best Dramatic Presentation [http://www.nesfa.org/data/LL/Hugos/hugos1996.html 1]. However, JMS declined on this episode and one other one so that [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/031.html The Coming of Shadows] wouldn't be competing with other episodes in B5. (''The Coming of Shadows'' won the award of course. As an interesting note, it beat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Monkeys 12 Monkeys], which is one of my favorite movies. It also beat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13_%28film%29 Apollo 13] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story Toy Story], but personally I don't really think they're ''Hugo'' material, even though I own both of them and think they're good movies.)<br /> <br /> It's a pity that last bit of dialog between Sheridan and G'Kar was left out of the final epipsode, I rather like it. The lines Sheridan got at the end of the act about drawing a line against the darkness are a good replacement, however. I think it's one of the more quoted monologues in the series. I think the bit about ''the right words, in the right place, at the right time'' would have been a nice tie-in wih the following episode when Sebastian echoes almost those exact words to Sheridan.<br /> <br /> This episode has some of the best acting in the series between G'Kar and Londo. It's kind of sad watching it right now since [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0441537/ Andreas Katsulas] (G'Kar) died last month. He was part of the reason I started watching the show. ([http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tomalak Commander Tomalak] was one of my favorite villains in [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/TNG ST:TNG]) However, the amount of growth G'Kar goes through in B5 and the range that Katsulas brough to the role truly impressed me more than any other character.<br /> <br /> It was interesting to read why the Great Machine never really featured heavily in the series. It seems logical that here they have this huge resource that they would try to use it a lot. But alas, after having recast the actor already and trying to explain the different look, then the new actor become unavailable, the storyline was changed. It would be interesting to see how different the story would have been if the Machine had been more prominent.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/043.html Comes the Inquisitor]===<br /> <br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :LENNIER<br /> If you do the right things for the wrong reasons, the work becomes corrupted, impure, and ultimately self-destructive. To face the darkness and survive, your heart must be pure, your thoughts calm, your purpose clear. Ambassador Kosh wishes confirmation that the right people are in the right place at the right time.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> Who are you?<br /> <br /> What a sad thing you are, unable to answer even such a simple question without falling back on references and genealogies and what other people call you. Have you nothing of your own? Nothing to stand on that is not provided, defined, delineated, stamped, sanctioned, numbered and approved by others? How can you be expected to fight for someone else when you haven't the fairest idea ''who you are''?<br /> |- <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3&quot;|<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> You would trade your life for his? I thought you had a destiny. Is that destiny not worth one life?<br /> :DELENN<br /> If I fall, another will take my place. And another. And another.<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> But your great cause --<br /> :DELENN<br /> '''This is my cause!''' Life! One life, or a billion, they are all the same.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffffc9; color: #000; background-color: #fffff3&quot;|<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> Anyone can throw away his life to save a world... or a dozen worlds, knowing his name will be remembered and revered, that past sins will be atoned for. Armies are made up of millions of these... willing to lay down their lives for god, for country, for planet.... ''(beat)'' How do you tell the chosen ones? &quot;No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.&quot; Not for millions. Not for glory, not for fame. '''For one person.''' In the dark. Where noone will even know, or see. [...] But when the darkness comes, know this: you are the right people, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Of course, bear in mind that there *is* no correct answer to Sebastian's question... [Who are you?] because no matter what answer you give, the question will be repeated. It's a process, not a goal, designed to tear down the artifices we construct around ourselves until we're left facing ourselves, not our roles. At some point the &quot;answer,&quot; such as it is, must transcend language.<br /> ----<br /> Sebastian represents all the sane voices, all the voices of reason and sensibility that tell us that we must be insane if we believe that we are special, that we have a destiny. More than the voices of anger or opposition or criticism, for an artist of any sort, the most lethal voice is the quiet voice of reason that makes us forget who we are and what we can do, that lulls us to sleep and keeps us safe, since to follow our dreams as we intend can lead only to disappointment. However well intentioned, that voice is the enemy and always will be.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> This is one of (if not THE) my favorite episodes in the series. <br /> <br /> OK, I was intending to primarily comment on the script book, but I have to make one comment on the production of this episode... The lighting crew did a fantastic job here. Particularly the inquisition scenes. (The episode got an emmy nomination for Outstanding Cinematography - Series [http://theenvelope.latimes.com/extras/lostmind/year/1995/1995_1996emmy.htm]) Wayne Alexander's acting is brilliant as Sebastian.<br /> <br /> ... and about being the right person at the right time, I'll leave with this:<br /> <br /> He who seizes the right moment, is the right man.<br /> Johann Wolfgang von Goethe<br /> <br /> [[Wikipedia:RGB]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

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<p>24.15.12.143: /* [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/043.html Comes the Inquisitor] */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/035.html Hunter, Prey]===<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/037.html And Now For a Word]===<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/038.html In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum]===<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This episode is rather pivotal for the series. If I were to choose 10 episodes that defined the series, this would be one of them. It was one of three episodes from this season (yes, '''three''') that were nominated for a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugos Hugo] award for Best Dramatic Presentation [http://www.nesfa.org/data/LL/Hugos/hugos1996.html 1]. However, JMS declined on this episode and one other one so that [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/031.html The Coming of Shadows] wouldn't be competing with other episodes in B5. (''The Coming of Shadows'' won the award of course. As an interesting note, it beat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Monkeys 12 Monkeys], which is one of my favorite movies. It also beat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13_%28film%29 Apollo 13] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story Toy Story], but personally I don't really think they're ''Hugo'' material, even though I own both of them and think they're good movies.)<br /> <br /> It's a pity that last bit of dialog between Sheridan and G'Kar was left out of the final epipsode, I rather like it. The lines Sheridan got at the end of the act about drawing a line against the darkness are a good replacement, however. I think it's one of the more quoted monologues in the series. I think the bit about ''the right words, in the right place, at the right time'' would have been a nice tie-in wih the following episode when Sebastian echoes almost those exact words to Sheridan.<br /> <br /> This episode has some of the best acting in the series between G'Kar and Londo. It's kind of sad watching it right now since [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0441537/ Andreas Katsulas] (G'Kar) died last month. He was part of the reason I started watching the show. ([http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tomalak Commander Tomalak] was one of my favorite villains in [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/TNG ST:TNG]) However, the amount of growth G'Kar goes through in B5 and the range that Katsulas brough to the role truly impressed me more than any other character.<br /> <br /> It was interesting to read why the Great Machine never really featured heavily in the series. It seems logical that here they have this huge resource that they would try to use it a lot. But alas, after having recast the actor already and trying to explain the different look, then the new actor become unavailable, the storyline was changed. It would be interesting to see how different the story would have been if the Machine had been more prominent.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/043.html Comes the Inquisitor]===<br /> <br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :LENNIER<br /> If you do the right things for the wrong reasons, the work becomes corrupted, impure, and ultimately self-destructive. To face the darkness and survive, your heart must be pure, your thoughts calm, your purpose clear. Ambassador Kosh wishes confirmation that the right people are in the right place at the right time.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> Who are you?<br /> <br /> What a sad thing you are, unable to answer even such a simple question without falling back on references and genealogies and what other people call you. Have you nothing of your own? Nothing to stand on that is not provided, defined, delineated, stamped, sanctioned, numbered and approved by others? How can you be expected to fight for someone else when you haven't the fairest idea ''who you are''?<br /> |- <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3&quot;|<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> You would trade your life for his? I thought you had a destiny. Is that destiny not worth one life?<br /> :DELENN<br /> If I fall, another will take my place. And another. And another.<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> But your great cause --<br /> :DELENN<br /> '''This is my cause!''' Life! One life, or a billion, they are all the same.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffffc9; color: #000; background-color: #fffff3&quot;|<br /> :SEBASTIAN<br /> Anyone can throw away his life to save a world... or a dozen worlds, knowing his name will be remembered and revered, that past sins will be atoned for. Armies are made up of millions of these... willing to lay down their lives for god, for country, for planet.... ''(beat)'' How do you tell the chosen ones? &quot;No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.&quot; Not for millions. Not for glory, not for fame. '''For one person.''' In the dark. Where noone will even know, or see. [...] But when the darkness comes, know this: you are the right people, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Of course, bear in mind that there *is* no correct answer to Sebastian's question... [Who are you?] because no matter what answer you give, the question will be repeated. It's a process, not a goal, designed to tear down the artifices we construct around ourselves until we're left facing ourselves, not our roles. At some point the &quot;answer,&quot; such as it is, must transcend language.<br /> ----<br /> Sebastian represents all the sane voices, all the voices of reason and sensibility that tell us that we must be insane if we believe that we are special, that we have a destiny. More than the voices of anger or opposition or criticism, for an artist of any sort, the most lethal voice is the quiet voice of reason that makes us forget who we are and what we can do, that lulls us to sleep and keeps us safe, since to follow our dreams as we intend can lead only to disappointment. However well intentioned, that voice is the enemy and always will be.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> This is one of (if not THE) my favorite episodes in the series. <br /> <br /> OK, I was intending to primarily comment on the script book, but I have to make one comment on the production of this episode... The lighting crew did a fantastic job here. Particularly the inquisition scenes. (The episode got an emmy nomination for Outstanding Cinematography - Series [http://theenvelope.latimes.com/extras/lostmind/year/1995/1995_1996emmy.htm]) Wayne Alexander's acting is brilliant as Sebastian.<br /> <br /> ... and about being the right person at the right time, I'll leave with this:<br /> <br /> He who seizes the right moment, is the right man.<br /> Johann Wolfgang von Goethe<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Psmith_in_the_City&diff=1675 2006-03-11T17:42:37Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>The next LibriVox recording I'm listening to on the way to work. I'm a mild fan of listening to Jeeves &amp; Wooster novels, so I thought I'd give another Wodehouse book a try. I'm not sure how I'll like this one yet. Often with Wodehouse, the performance of the reader is really what makes or breaks it.<br /> <br /> ==Quotes==<br /> <br /> Bill (surname unknown) was not one of your ultra-scientific fighters. He did not favour the American crouch and the artistic feint. He had a style wholly his own. It seemed to have been modelled partly on a tortoise and partly on a windmill. His head he appeared to be trying to conceal between his shoulders, and he whirled his arms alternately in circular sweeps. (Ch 16)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> *Psmith = Jeeves + Wooster<br /> *Mike Smith<br /> <br /> ==External Links==<br /> <br /> *[http://librivox.org/psmith-in-the-city-by-pg-wodehouse/ Audiobook] on [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/6753 E-Text] on [http://www.gutenberg.org/ Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psmith Psmith's entry] on [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Psmith_in_the_City&diff=1674 2006-03-11T17:30:22Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>The next LibriVox recording I'm listening to on the way to work. I'm a mild fan of listening to Jeeves &amp; Wooster novels, so I thought I'd give another Wodehouse book a try. I'm not sure how I'll like this one yet. Often with Wodehouse, the performance of the reader is really what makes or breaks it.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> *Psmith = Jeeves + Wooster<br /> *Mike Smith<br /> *(Ch 16) Bill (surname unknown) was not one of your ultra-scientific fighters. He did not favour the American crouch and the artistic feint. He had a style wholly his own. It seemed to have been modelled partly on a tortoise and partly on a windmill. His head he appeared to be trying to conceal between his shoulders, and he whirled his arms alternately in circular sweeps.<br /> <br /> ==External Links==<br /> <br /> *[http://librivox.org/psmith-in-the-city-by-pg-wodehouse/ Audiobook] on [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/6753 E-Text] on [http://www.gutenberg.org/ Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psmith Psmith's entry] on [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1796 2006-03-06T02:21:09Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This episode is rather pivotal for the series. If I were to choose 10 episodes that defined the series, this would be one of them. It was one of three episodes from this season (yes, '''three''') that were nominated for a Hugo award for Best Dramatic Presentation[http://www.nesfa.org/data/LL/Hugos/hugos1996.html 1]. However, JMS declined on this episode and one other one so that [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/031.html The Coming of Shadows] wouldn't be competing with other episodes in B5. (It won the award of course.)<br /> <br /> It's a pity that last bit of dialog between Sheridan and G'Kar was left out of the final epipsode, I rather like it. The lines Sheridan got at the end of the act about drawing a line against the darkness are a good replacement, however. I think it's one of the more quoted monologues in the series. I think the bit about ''the right words, in the right place, at the right time'' would have been a nice tie-in wih the following episode when Sebastian echoes almost those exact words to Sheridan.<br /> <br /> This episode has some of the best acting in the series between G'Kar and Londo. It's kind of sad watching it right now since [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0441537/ Andreas Katsulas] (G'Kar) died last month. He was part of the reason I started watching the show. ([http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tomalak Commander Tomalak] was one of my favorite villains in [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/TNG ST:TNG]) However, the amount of growth G'Kar goes through in B5 and the range that Katsulas brough to the role truly impressed me more than any other character.<br /> <br /> It was interesting to read why the Great Machine never really featured heavily in the series. It seems logical that here they have this huge resource that they would try to use it a lot. But alas, after having recast the actor already and trying to explain the different look, then the new actor become unavailable, the storyline was changed. It would be interesting to see how different the story would have been if the Machine had been more prominent.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1795 2006-03-06T02:16:30Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This episode is rather pivotal for the series. If I were to choose 10 episodes that defined the series, this would be one of them. It was one of three episodes from this season (yes, '''three''') that were nominated for a Hugo award for Best Dramatic Presentation[http://www.nesfa.org/data/LL/Hugos/hugos1996.html 1]. However, JMS declined on this episode and one other one so that [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/031.html The Coming of Shadows] wouldn't be competing with other episodes in B5. (It won the award of course.)<br /> <br /> It's a pity that last bit of dialog between Sheridan and G'Kar was left out of the final epipsode, I rather like it. The lines Sheridan got at the end of the act about drawing a line against the darkness are a good replacement, however. I think it's one of the more quoted monologues in the series. I think the bit about ''the right words, in the right place, at the right time'' would have been a nice tie-in wih the following episode when Sebastian echoes almost those exact words to Sheridan.<br /> <br /> This episode has some of the best acting in the series between G'Kar and Londo. It's kind of sad watching it right now since [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0441537/ Andreas Katsulas] (G'Kar) died last month. He was part of the reason I started watching the show. ([http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tomalak Commander Tomalak] was one of my favorite villains in [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/TNG ST:TNG]) However, the amount of growth G'Kar goes through in B5 and the range that Katsulas brough to the role truly impressed me more than any other character.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1794 2006-03-06T02:05:08Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This episode is rather pivotal for the series. If I were to choose 10 episodes that defined the series, this would be one of them. It was one of three episodes from this season (yes, '''three''') that were nominated for a Hugo award for Best Dramatic Presentation[http://www.nesfa.org/data/LL/Hugos/hugos1996.html 1]. However, JMS declined on this episode and one other one so that [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/031.html The Coming of Shadows] wouldn't be competing with other episodes in B5. (It won the award of course.)<br /> <br /> It's a pity that last bit of dialog between Sheridan and G'Kar was left out of the final epipsode, I rather like it. The lines Sheridan got at the end of the act about drawing a line against the darkness are a good replacement, however. I think it's one of the more quoted monologues in the series. I think the bit about ''the right words, in the right place, at the right time'' would have been a nice tie-in wih the following episode when Sebastian echoes almost those exact words to Sheridan.<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1793 2006-03-06T00:58:32Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle] */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This episode is rather pivotal for the series. If I were to choose 10 episodes that defined the series, this would be one of them. It was one of three episodes from this season (yes, '''three''') that were nominated for a Hugo award for Best Dramatic Presentation[http://www.nesfa.org/data/LL/Hugos/hugos1996.html 1]. However, JMS declined on this episode and one other one so that [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/031.html The Coming of Shadows] wouldn't be competing with other episodes in B5. (It won the award of course.)<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1792 2006-03-06T00:30:12Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* Confessions and Lamentations */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/040.html Confessions and Lamentations]===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1791 2006-03-06T00:29:30Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* Divided Loyalties */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/041.html Divided Loyalties]===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1790 2006-03-06T00:28:51Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===Divided Loyalties===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/042.html The Long, Twilight Struggle]===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1789 2006-03-06T00:23:01Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* Confessions and Lamentations */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===Divided Loyalties===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===The Long, Twilight Struggle===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1788 2006-03-06T00:20:46Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===Divided Loyalties===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===The Long, Twilight Struggle===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9c9; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3f3&quot;|<br /> Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, &quot;rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation&quot;—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.<br /> :::John F Kennedy, [http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html Inaugural Address]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1787 2006-03-06T00:09:38Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===Divided Loyalties===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===The Long, Twilight Struggle===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> What you said in the council... I think it got through to a lot of people.<br /> :G'KAR<br /> Words. Just words. I will believe in them tomorrow. Now....<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> You're right. Just words. But good words. And you can go far on that. Empires and governments have been built, and thrown down, by the right words, in the right place, at the right time.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1786 2006-03-06T00:02:39Z

<p>24.15.12.143: /* The Long, Twilight Struggle */</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===Divided Loyalties===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===The Long, Twilight Struggle===<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :G'KAR<br /> No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. [...] Though it take a thousand years, we '''will''' be free.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Babylon_5_-_The_Scripts_of_JMS&diff=1785 2006-03-05T23:57:32Z

<p>24.15.12.143: The Long, Twilight Struggle</p> <hr /> <div>Very interesting so far, especially for those interested in the process of making a TV show.<br /> <br /> ==Volume 4==<br /> ===Confessions and Lamentations===<br /> <br /> A warning to James... this is a preachy episode :D<br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #f3f3ff&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> They're not your own people.<br /> <br /> :DELENN<br /> I didn't know that similarity was required for the exercise of compassion.<br /> <br /> |style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c9ffc9; color: #000; background-color: #f3fff3&quot;|<br /> :SHERIDAN<br /> In the last seven days we've learned that an entire race can judge itself to death. That fear and silence can be as deadly as the plague that spawned it. We've learned that there is no such thing as someone else's problem, that in the end, we are all connected. ''(beat)'' A human writer, John Dunne, wrote [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html 1]: &quot;No man is an island, entire of itself. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.&quot; If we can remember that lesson, then all this might not have been in vain, and their deaths will have meaning.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> :{| cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; <br /> |- valign=&quot;top&quot; <br /> |width=&quot;33%&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3&quot;|<br /> Religion plays a huge role in this story, as guidepost, tradition, and liability. I wanted to hilight the reality that religion has served a great many positive purposes over the centuries, but that at the same time we must accept the fact that on more than one occasion it has worked against humanity's best interests, in the currency of crusades, jihads and intolerance. Science and religion both emanate from the same wellspring, the desire to understand who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. The problem comes when the means of answering those questions is framed in the negative, i.e.: we are who we are because we are ''not'' those people over ''there'', the infidels, the unbelievers, the heathens. The moment you do that, you create an atmosphere of us ''vs.'' them, of true believers ''vs.'' enemies. It is my opinion that very little good comes from that dichotomy.<br /> <br /> [...]<br /> <br /> In the interests if fairness, however, it is important to make the point that there is something far worse than religious dogmatism: the kind of political, secular cowardice that restricts scientific inquiry because those in office are afraid of being voted out of office. It's one thing to act out of love of heaven or fear of hell, but to act out of fear of losing ''votes'' is indefensible on every conceivable level.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> This is an interesting episode in that JMS (an atheist) paints not only the negative side of religion, but the positive side at the same time. Even his final speach is mostly taken from a minister. All told, I like the script as it is in the book much better than as it came to the screen. This is one of my favorite episodes, but there's one major flaw with the premise in the script. Why, with such a contageous, deadly disease does it last for over a year in the population until the day that Franklin notices it and then suddenly the entire species is wiped out on all of their colonies in a single day??<br /> <br /> There are three major changes in the episode from the script to the screen. <br /> <br /> ;The Markab isolation is changed to be self-imposed instead of a command decision: While this takes the ethical responsibility off of our heroes and places it on the shoulders of 'bad religion', parts of the episode just didn't make sense to me until I read the script. (The security search teams trying to find the Markab to put them in the isolation zone, Delenn asking Sheridan if she can enter the isolation sector and him saying 'I can't let you out', etc.)<br /> ;The plague jumps species: While this helps with the 'no man is an island' sermon at the end, it leaves various logic holes at the end of the episode, i.e. why doesn't the Pak'ma'ra species get wiped out as well? (Or at least have more than just one die of the plague before they can get a new antivirus worked up to generate 'green cells'.)<br /> ;The second quote I have above from Sheridan is given to Delenn and the ending reworked:Personally, I find Sheridan's speech much more moving than the one that was shortened and given to Delenn, particularly the Dunne quote. I also think it was more moving to end with that than the depressing 'Nothing changes' that now ends the episode. Also, giving the quote to Delenn instead of Sheridan nullifies the growth we see in him from the first quote to the second one. Now it seems like he didn't learn anything at all.<br /> <br /> ===Divided Loyalties===<br /> This episode is basically a throw-away episode as far as the grander tale is concerned. It's primarily a mechanic to move one character off the show and another in to take their place. Not a lot of deep philosophy in this episode, but it's interesting to learn the reasons why Talia (Andrea Thompson) left the show. (But from a personal standpoint, bringing the redhead back into the show was better anyways ;)) This episode does, however have one of my favorite Garibaldi moments: when he pretends to be 'triggered' by the code word.<br /> <br /> ===The Long, Twilight Struggle===<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books]]<br /> [[Category:Television]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews]]<br /> [[Category:Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Anansi_Boys&diff=1710 2006-03-04T15:28:02Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>*by: Neil Gaiman<br /> *Pub Date: 2005<br /> *pages: 334<br /> *read: 20060103<br /> *Rating: 7/9<br /> <br /> It was an entertaining read, and I love the Anansi mythos, however it didn't have the philosophical umph of American Gods (as little philosophy as there was in AG). So, while I'm not disappointed that I bought a signed first edition, I wouldn't place it in my top 20 books.<br /> <br /> (The thing that got my interest the most in AG was the idea that as people move from place to place they take a copy of their gods with them. The gods evolve as the community changes. The American Gods are dying out but want to make one last fight for their lives. I also liked how you had to know a little about mythology to 'get' who the gods were at the beginning... i.e. 'Odin' was called 'Mr Wednesday', which is a reference to the origin of the name Wednesday. Anansi was called 'something like Nancy'. Alas, in Anansi Boys, everything's spelled out already, although they still take the 'Nancy' moniker from AG.)<br /> <br /> The rating reflects my expectations for the philosophical side, not the readability, which would give it an 8/10 or 9/10. I did read it all in one day on the train ride home from going to Colorado, so it did keep my interest.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Tometheus|Tometheus]] 5 January 2006<br /> <br /> [[Category:Books|Anansi Boys]]<br /> [[Category:Reviews|Anansi Boys]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Legend_of_Crystania&diff=1764 2006-02-26T03:23:26Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>== Movie ==<br /> <br /> *length : Feature<br /> *release: 1995<br /> *viewed : 20060214<br /> *Rating : 4/10<br /> <br /> '''Legend of Crystania''' is based on the novel of the same name, the sequel to [[Record of Lodoss War: Chronicles of the Heroic Knight]]. (Not a direct sequel to [[Record of Lodoss War]].) It tells us what happens to Ashram and Pirotess after they leave Lodoss. (Which is rather confusing, since Crystania came out before Heroic Knight... So, as of the existing material, Ashram and Pirotess are dead... which is why Heroic Knight had to overwright the end of Lodoss to keep them alive, ao more correctly, Heroic Knight is the prequel to this... )<br /> <br /> I just have to say, Ashram just can't get a break. He gets killed in the original Lodoss, essentially exiled in Heroic Knight, and now he gets taken over by a dark god and killed in Crystania. Sheesh! However, I guess they had to do ''something'' to keep him alive for 300 years when this story is set. (Sure, whatever.) Ashram was one of my favorite characters in Lodoss, his character had a lot more depth and character development than a villain of other fantasy stories. (Of course, that's what the whole Dark Knight mythos tends to lend to a character.)<br /> <br /> So why is this rating so low? Well, I had high expectations for it, since the original Lodoss is one of my favorite anime series of all time. (Hey, I came onto it when I was interested in DND stuff.) However, I suppose I should have set my expectations lower after Heroic Knight, but hey. So again, you ask me, why is this one so low? Part of the problem is that the epic story arc you found in Lodoss and Heroic Knight just doesn't come across when it's a single-shot movie. Not necessarily a bad thing, but for a universe that was basically born from a DND campaign, it really shows its weakness in a single-shot. <br /> <br /> Secondly, the artwork is light years behind the previous series. I had the feeling I was watching storyboards at a few times and they just forgot to do the final movie. Also, the character designs fell short of Lodoss. The visual redesign of Ashram and Pirotess just left the Lodoss fan crying. <br /> <br /> The characters also felt as flat as the artwork. Pirotess had none of the strength of character and depth of the Lodoss stories. Ashram was just a puppet for the most part. (A&amp;P being essentially secondary characters just didn't feel right either.) The main characters were not gripping at all. The little girl was as annoying as .. well, as Gwen in [[Guild Wars]]. (I think they used the same model in fact.) Don't get me wrong, I like Gwen. I want to find out what happened to her after the Searing. However, she is a bit annoying saying the same things over and over and dancing over your dead corpse because she apparently didn't bother to pick up a resurection signet even though she stands by the guy who hands them out just for teaming up with someone.<br /> <br /> Finally, the music was... well, bland to say the least compared to the Lodoss score.<br /> <br /> I would definitely not recommend this one unless you just really want to know what happened to them after Heroic Knight, and even then I'd probably recommend reading the manga over watching this.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Tometheus|Tometheus]] 12:19, 14 February 2006 (PST)<br /> <br /> == OVA ==<br /> <br /> *length : 3 episodes, ~1 hour apiece<br /> *release: 1995<br /> *viewed : 20060218<br /> *Rating : 5/4<br /> <br /> {{Template:Ratings}}<br /> <br /> The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVA OVA] isn't a whole lot better than the feature movie, but this time I didn't have a high expectation. The animation for the most part was a bit better than the feature, but there were still times when it was as bad or worse.<br /> <br /> Music was still bla.<br /> <br /> The story did a better job of captivating me, with a few exceptions below.<br /> <br /> OK, so I didn't like the annoying girl in the first one. Well, she's back again. And this time they add two more annoying kids on top of it! I was glad when &lt;X&gt; happened to them and they were effectively gone. And what's the deal with the preteen and teen girl nudity?? For that matter, why does the original annoying girl wear modern clothing (shorts, etc) in this supposedly ancient setting?<br /> <br /> Anyways, the story is better, but 3 episodes is still too short to truly get involved in so many characters.<br /> <br /> And what's the deal with Pirotess going by the name Sheru except around Ashram?<br /> <br /> Poor Ashram. Just when you thought he could die finally, his soul is shuffled off to the Chaos dimension and some meddling interlopers decide to drag him back to reality again.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Tometheus|Tometheus]] 19:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *[[wikipedia:Legend_of_Crystania|Legend of Crystania]] on [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War Record of Lodoss War] on [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://www.ex.org/4.2/17-anime_crystania.html Similar review] on [http://www.ex.org/ Ex:Anime]<br /> [[Category:Anime|Legend of Crystania]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Current_Projects&diff=1657 2006-02-14T23:40:17Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Things I'm currently reading / listening to / etc.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Main|Current Projects]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Current_Projects&diff=1656 2006-02-14T23:39:37Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Things I'm currently reading / listening to / etc.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Main|Anime]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Legend_of_Crystania&diff=1751 2006-02-14T20:18:50Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>= Movie =<br /> <br /> *length: Feature<br /> *viewed: 20060214<br /> *Rating: 4/10<br /> <br /> '''Legend of Crystania''' is based on the manga of the same name, the sequel to [[Record of Lodoss War: Chronicles of the Heroic Knight]]. (Not a direct sequel to [[Record of Lodoss War]].) It tells us what happens to Ashram and Pirotess after they leave Lodoss.<br /> <br /> I just have to say, Ashram just can't get a break. He gets killed in the original Lodoss, essentially exiled in Heroic Knight, and now he gets taken over by a dark god and killed in Crystania. Sheesh! Ashram was one of my favorite characters in Lodoss, his character had a lot more depth and character development than a villain of other fantasy stories. (Of course, that's what the whole Dark Knight mythos tends to lend to a character.)<br /> <br /> So why is this rating so low? Well, I had high expectations for it, since the original Lodoss is one of my favorite anime series of all time. (Hey, I came onto it when I was interested in DND stuff.) However, I suppose I should have set my expectations lower after Heroic Knight, but hey. So again, you ask me, why is this one so low? Part of the problem is that the epic story arc you found in Lodoss and Heroic Knight just doesn't come across when it's a single-shot movie. Not necessarily a bad thing, but for a universe that was basically born from a DND campaign, it really shows its weakness in a single-shot. <br /> <br /> Secondly, the artwork is light years behind the previous series. I had the feeling I was watching storyboards at a few times and they just forgot to do the final movie. Also, the character designs fell short of Lodoss. The visual redesign of Ashram and Pirotess just left the Lodoss fan crying. <br /> <br /> The characters also felt as flat as the artwork. Pirotess had none of the strength of character and depth of the Lodoss stories. Ashram was just a puppet for the most part. (A&amp;P being essentially secondary characters just didn't feel right either.) The main characters were not gripping at all. The little girl was as annoying as .. well, as Gwen in [[Guild Wars]]. (I think they used the same model in fact.)<br /> <br /> I would definitely not recommend this one unless you just really want to know what happened to them after Heroic Knight, and even then I'd probably recommend reading the manga over watching this.<br /> <br /> --[[User:24.15.12.143|24.15.12.143]] 12:18, 14 February 2006 (PST)<br /> <br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_Crystania Legend of Crystania] on [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War Record of Lodoss War] on [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Anime|Legend of Crystania]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Harry_Potter_and_the_Half-Blood_Prince&diff=1744 2006-02-09T08:21:45Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>== Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince ==<br /> <br /> *by: J. K. Rowling<br /> *pages: 652<br /> *read: 20051225<br /> <br /> I'm surprised I didn't hear anything in the press about someone dying in this one. They made a big deal about it in the last book, but I didn't hear anyone mention it in this one.<br /> <br /> That said, I have a feeling he's going to pull a Gandalf in the last book. (After all, he's been associated with the pheonix ever since the beginning.)<br /> <br /> I was caught unexpectedly by the identity of the Half-Blood Prince, although in retrospect it was fairly obvious. I think Rowling did a good job with the misdirection, constantly reminding us that Voldemort was half-blood.<br /> <br /> So... is Snape a death-eater or isn't he? I think that's the one resolution I'm most interested in in the final book.<br /> <br /> Overall, I enjoyed the read, but I think some of the others in the series have been better. The misdirection was good, but the pensive scenes felt a little artificial. (There should have been a better way to have the Exposition without breaking the main story flow.)<br /> <br /> **Rating: 8/10**<br /> <br /> --Tom<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Book Reviews|Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Treasure_Island&diff=1696 2006-02-09T08:16:27Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Currently listening to the [http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ LibriVox recording] of Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson.<br /> <br /> *Captain Flint<br /> *Sibilance<br /> *'Special Effects'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/120 Free eBook] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ Get the audiobook] from [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Audio Reviews|Treasure Island]]<br /> [[Category:LibriVox|Treasure Island]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Treasure_Island&diff=1695 2006-02-09T08:15:34Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Currently listening to the [http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ LibriVox recording] of Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson.<br /> <br /> Captain Flint<br /> Sibilance<br /> 'Special Effects'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/120 Free eBook] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ Get the audiobook] from [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Audio Reviews|Treasure Island]]<br /> [[Category:LibriVox|Treasure Island]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Treasure_Island&diff=1694 2006-02-09T08:15:09Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Currently listening to the [http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ LibriVox recording] of Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson.<br /> <br /> Captain Flint<br /> Sibilance<br /> 'Special Effects'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/120 Free eBook] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ Get the audiobook] from [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Audio Reviews|Stevenson - Treasure Island]]<br /> [[Category:LibriVox|Stevenson, Treasure Island]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Treasure_Island&diff=1693 2006-02-09T08:10:20Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div>Currently listening to the [http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ LibriVox recording] of Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson.<br /> <br /> Captain Flint<br /> Sibilance<br /> 'Special Effects'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/120 Free eBook] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ Get the audiobook] from [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Audio Reviews|Stevenson, Treasure Island]]<br /> [[Category:LibriVox|Stevenson, Treasure Island]]</div>

24.15.12.143 http://tometheus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Treasure_Island&diff=1692 2006-02-09T08:09:02Z

<p>24.15.12.143: </p> <hr /> <div><br /> Currently listening to the [http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ LibriVox recording] of Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson.<br /> <br /> Captain Flint<br /> Sibilance<br /> 'Special Effects'<br /> <br /> <br /> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island Wikipedia]<br /> *[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/120 Free eBook] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg Project Gutenberg]<br /> *[http://librivox.org/treasure-island-by-robert-louis-stevenson/ Get the audiobook] from [http://librivox.org/ LibriVox]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Audio Reviews|Stevenson, Treasure Island]]<br /> [[Category:LibriVox|Stevenson, Treasure Island]]</div>

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